Insiders and Outsiders: Religious Communities
First, in response to the kind words, I want to say that I’m happy for the wonderful group of people that have been posting comments to my blogs on this subject. It brought to mind something I’d thought of in the past: what a great conversation we’d have if we were ever in the same place at the same time!
Not surprisingly, comments to last post are thoughtful and come from a variety of angles. I’ve needed to focus on just one of the major themes.
Individual and Community
I was led to think about the distinction between community and the individual “alone with his or her God.” On the one hand, there are religious communities; on the other, there is the spiritual experience of individuals.
Some of you weren’t comfortable with the word “spiritual” – it does have a number of connotations. How about if, as a working definition, we call “spiritual experience” whatever it is that goes on in our hearts and minds that leads us to do good? And, on our bad days, to aspire to it despite ourselves! Let’s call this the G factor – admitting that we haven’t defined what goodness is, which would obviously be a major topic in its own right. For many of us there is also a B factor, with “B” standing for belief.
Perspectives
Some of you point to the value and perhaps even the necessity of participating in a religious community. Others do not see this as essential or even necessarily desirable. Here are some thoughts that occur to me:
1. Participation in a religious community usually assumes acceptance of a belief system.
2. From the viewpoint of the participant, participation is crucial. Going to the church, mosque, or temple is a matter of affirming the belief system through ritual. Furthermore, there is the belief that rituals mediated by church officials constitute special transmissions, so to speak, of God’s power.
3. A member of Religious Community X may view a member of RCZ as not having got it quite right in terms of belief and the attendant rituals – or, at the extreme, view RCZ as warped or evil. Differing religious beliefs are difficult to impossible to reconcile.
4. To me, religious institutions don’t stand out as paragons of the G factor. They seem to represent pretty much what might be expected of human beings. There are many examples of religious organizations doing good things for others; there are many examples of religious organizations bringing suffering to others. As individuals, the majority of religious officials and community members appear, like the majority of our species, to fall somewhere in the middle: people who are neither great saints nor criminals.
The Wider Community
Note that a person’s spiritual experiences (as in “G-factor” above) – whether the person is a believer or non believer – can powerfully alter his or her behavior within whatever communities he or she participates: for example, family, school, or work. The wider community may be as spiritual as we collectively make it.
Not surprisingly, comments to last post are thoughtful and come from a variety of angles. I’ve needed to focus on just one of the major themes.
Individual and Community
I was led to think about the distinction between community and the individual “alone with his or her God.” On the one hand, there are religious communities; on the other, there is the spiritual experience of individuals.
Some of you weren’t comfortable with the word “spiritual” – it does have a number of connotations. How about if, as a working definition, we call “spiritual experience” whatever it is that goes on in our hearts and minds that leads us to do good? And, on our bad days, to aspire to it despite ourselves! Let’s call this the G factor – admitting that we haven’t defined what goodness is, which would obviously be a major topic in its own right. For many of us there is also a B factor, with “B” standing for belief.
Perspectives
Some of you point to the value and perhaps even the necessity of participating in a religious community. Others do not see this as essential or even necessarily desirable. Here are some thoughts that occur to me:
1. Participation in a religious community usually assumes acceptance of a belief system.
2. From the viewpoint of the participant, participation is crucial. Going to the church, mosque, or temple is a matter of affirming the belief system through ritual. Furthermore, there is the belief that rituals mediated by church officials constitute special transmissions, so to speak, of God’s power.
3. A member of Religious Community X may view a member of RCZ as not having got it quite right in terms of belief and the attendant rituals – or, at the extreme, view RCZ as warped or evil. Differing religious beliefs are difficult to impossible to reconcile.
4. To me, religious institutions don’t stand out as paragons of the G factor. They seem to represent pretty much what might be expected of human beings. There are many examples of religious organizations doing good things for others; there are many examples of religious organizations bringing suffering to others. As individuals, the majority of religious officials and community members appear, like the majority of our species, to fall somewhere in the middle: people who are neither great saints nor criminals.
The Wider Community
Note that a person’s spiritual experiences (as in “G-factor” above) – whether the person is a believer or non believer – can powerfully alter his or her behavior within whatever communities he or she participates: for example, family, school, or work. The wider community may be as spiritual as we collectively make it.








17 Comments:
In a manner of speaking, a faith community follows a tradition that is made up of thousands of years of otehr peoples religious "burning bushes", codified ... it's the institutionalized benefit of the spiritual experiences of others.
If one is a christian, it's hard to overlook the way Jesus was with his disciples ... they were a faith community.
Having said that, religious institutions can go from boring to really wrong, and I think, especially with books, retreats, and the online communities that now exist (like religious blogdom), people can find a spiritual path without a traditional religious institution.
Your attention to the distinction between the individual and the group is a dynamic that has been studied a great deal in the field of Sufism. All of the great teachers within this tradtion have recoginized the need for de-emphasizing the focus upon the form which the spiritual experience can take.
The needs of the group aren't always the same for the individual. Sometimes they coincide, sometimes not.
I personally do not "go" to the mosque or church out of a need to talk to my Lord. BUT I do appreciate going to group settings where people voluntarily sing the Praises of God.
I firmly believe that the Love of God can not be coerced.
I was born and raised in a very Jewish area and did not go to synagogue all that often. I suppose it's because I didn't need to belong to one to feel Jewish.
But it's different down here in Texas. Our numbers are small down here in the bible belt. I did join a synagogue and am very active there.
...whatever it is that goes on in our hearts and minds that leads us to do good.
I wanted to add that I really love your definition of "spiritual." It is the best, most concrete defintion I have heard and it resonates very much with me.
I believe in KARMA. Gita is what I try to follow. Try being the operative word.
We all have our own ways of praying, faith and belief. Maybe I am not making any sense but thats how it is.
CRYSTAL: Those are good points. It's true that today there are non traditional communities as well as traditional. Also, when you think of Jesus and his disciples, it brings to mind the more close-knit religious communities that exist in monastic orders. That's quite a different form of religious community - smaller, and with much more intensive participation.
KEVIN, thanks. I'm wondering what you mean by the "form" of a spiritual experience?
STACEY: Glad that definition worked for you. Also glad you're in Texas, othewise my associations with that state would be SO strictly negative. (With apologies to all Texans who happen not to be George Bush.)
GAUTAMI: Hmm... Reading through this thread, there seems to be a religious community of infrequent church/mosque/temple goers that many of us belong to!
I think I don't have much understanding of the Karma concept. Here it's mostly just a figure of speech because people don't know a lot about eastern religion.
Many years ago I listened to what must have been small parts of the Bghavad Gita, whose spelling I must have just destroyed, but I remember being impressed with the wisdom of what I was hearing.
Oh, I love this. It's such a hopeful perspective.
I grew up in a tight, evangelical Christian community. After 25+ years of secret battles within myself, multiple crises of faith, and the inevitable guilt, self hatred, and feelings of being a failure that occur as a consequence to those things, I left the church. It was a slow unraveling, baby steps really. I was afraid of so many things, but I was more afraid of losing myself for good. I felt like I was dying, that I wasn't who I was meant to be. Letting go of that fear and walking away is the hardest thing I've done, but it was also the healthiest thing I've done.
The institutionalizing of religion creates an environment where growth can be limited. Of course, a prerequisite for this would be a theology which establishes itself as the one true faith/religion. When we look at the diversity of human beings, how can we possibly conclude that one faith suits all needs?
We all have a path to walk. I do not believe in randomness. I believe that I need to always have my antennae up, whether it be an opportunity to serve the need of another, or perhaps to glean wisdom from another. I believe at the core of pure spirtituality is a heart that is humble and seeking. I will never have all the answers and I'm not afraid to admit that, but there is a peace that comes with being true to oneself. I have that peace for the first time in my life. It's come at a hefty price; my marriage has suffered, there's been a lot of isolation and loneliness, but it's been worth the quiet inside my head.
A religious community isn't a bad thing per se, but in the type of environment that I was brought up in, it was. The emotional and psychological damage it caused me, I'm still working through. Aristotle said that the true nature of a being is the highest thing that it can become. I want to find my true nature, no limits, no restrictions, no man made rules. I think my potential, our potential is limitless.
HEATHER: Thanks for giving that background. You mention the diversity of human beings - guess that includes a diversity of backgrounds and how we happen to personally respond to them. For myself, I was raised Catholic but so loosely that my "religious upbringing" was pretty superficial.
You mention wanting to find your true nature. To me it seems as if the closer we come to finding that, the more we find something that we have in common with others. Then we can understand and even appreciate the remaining differences.
If one's goal is one's relationship with god it is very different than when the goal is your relationship with fellow creatures.
as an atheist I have no relationship with god. as a living creature I have a compelling interest in my relationship with other living creatures. To this miracle of life, with all of it's hazards and its glories, I am willing and eager to lend a helping shouldar.
my insistance on equal respect for all life forms seems to exclude me from all but Buddhist circles: my consent to the role I, as a human omnivore, was born to, casts me out from Buddhism. Yet who am I to say that my form, an omnivore, should be denied and reviled? Eating is as much a part of the dance of life as is being eaten. Denying that and maintaining a fastidious refusal does not save me from my role in the food chain.
Is this an unnamed something?
I believe that every man and woman on this earth is my brother and my sister. There are basic human needs that connect us to one another. I revel in the differences. There is so much for me to learn in seeing the world through someone else's eyes.
I can't imagine that the Being that dreamed up the Universe would be as petty and niggling about what we eat or wear..just seems ludicrous to me.
I am pretty much at the point where I realise that the majority of humans are not going to give up on their doctrines because that would take too much Faith..
isn't that ironic?
What I've read of Buddhism has had an impact on me - for example, Seeking the Heart of Wisdom by Goldstein and Kornfield, if I'm remembering the names, and Thich Nhat Hahn whose spelling I may have botched. What I read was in the meditative/contemplative vein - not only things about formal meditation, but maintaining a sane frame of mind throughout the day.
HEATHER: The unnamed somethings are pretty much named in the table of contents if you click on the Excerpts link of this site.
Maybe (to use a not so bright sounding analogy!)we're all sixty watt bulbs shining through different colors and textures of glass. I forget my lightbulbs, I know I should have picked a higher wattage than sixty but what with the migraines I've had nothing higher than that around for a long time. Don't mean to suggest we're all dim watts, though I suppose it could be.
HOMOESCAPEONS: "I am pretty much at the point where I realise that the majority of humans are not going to give up on their doctrines because that would take too much Faith.."
Wow - I'd like to hear you expound on that and/or hear others respond to it...
As there are no accident in life, we connect...
I will be back to with more time ...
Love, joy and laughter
I sure wouldn't want to be the one to have to make the argument that men are inherently superior to women in this area.
And if it's based on picking out select lines of scripture I'd suggest we pick better ones and make the interpretations overwhelmingly suggested by contact with reality.
I am glad to hear that you are also open the feminine in theology.
We have a select small group of people at our workshop - generally, most people, including women, appear not to want to enter this reality - thankfully we have a few brave men amongst us...
Bless them, and you!
Next week (after our Film Festival) I'll have a bit more time to respond/participate in you newest post.
Happy Valentines!
Thanks, and look forward to hearing more from you -
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