Thomas C’s Faith Crisis Continues…
Anyway, taking up again from the post before last of June 27, let’s look at the remainder of my excerpt from Thomas Carlyle’s spiritual autobiography, Sartor Resartus (The Tailor Re-tailored). This abridgment also consists of direct quotations presented without commentary and in the same order in which the lines appear in Carlyle’s text.
From The Everlasting No - Book Second, chapter VII:
… even now, when doubting God’s existence. “One circumstance I note,”… “Genuine Love of Truth {was behind} all the nameless woe {that} Inquiry {had brought me.} I nevertheless still loved Truth, and would bate no jot of my allegiance to her. ‘Truth!’ I cried, though the Heavens crush me for following her…”
… the very Devil had been pulled down, you cannot so much as believe in a Devil. To me the Universe was all void of Life, of Purpose, of Volition, even of Hostility: it was one huge dead, immeasurable Steam-engine, rolling on, in its dead indifference, to grind me limb from limb.
Often… there was a question present to me: Should some one… blow thee suddenly… into the other World, or other No-World, by pistol- shot, - how were it? {I.e., “What of it?” or “So what?”}
So had {my despair}... lasted, as in bitter protracted Death-agony, through long years...
What about that One Far-Off Divine Event?
Again, it seems to me that hopelessness is the essential feature of Carlyle’s despair. Here we also see what for Carlyle was at the bottom of it: his rejection of the beliefs he’d grown up with. In all honesty – he refers to his love of truth – he couldn’t believe these things anymore.
Comments on the prior two Carlyle posts emphasized present centeredness vs. dwelling too much on the past or future. Notice, however, that what Carlyle dwells on isn’t his loss of hope for future career advancement or roomier living quarters or even fixing a technical glitch on his computer. He’s lost Hope with a capital H – Hope, to borrow the words of another 19th century writer whose name has come up, for that “one far-off divine event/To which the whole creation moves.” (Alfred Lord Tennyson, In Memoriam)
It looks to me that here Carlyle sees death as the end of everything for us in a pointless, lifeless, material universe. Is this a problem that can be solved by present centeredness? Is it a problem at all? Why or why not?
Update Sat. July 7: And What Kind of Hope are we Talking About?
Raffi’s comment, the first on this thread, brings to mind what may be a basic distinction between how people think about their hope or faith. Maybe this could be termed the “specifically hopeful” vs. the “generally hopeful”?








15 Comments:
finding that group really did my head a banging, fer sure.
Still left a burn hole in m'brain.
Andrea (m'sis-in-law) thinks I should just ignore it, but, dang.
I keep reaching my paw in to try and see if I can pull someone out of a nose dive.
silly me.
It's just like smoking cigarettes.
The person has to WANT to quit to actually do it.
oh well....
Thanx again!
BONEMAN: Not sure I'm catching the connection, but that's for sure - about the impossibility of helping out anyone on that or pretty much any other matter relating to their psychology before they're ready.
i think we see ourselves(humans) in the mirror of time and feel depressed and act like a depressed teenager ripping ourselves with blades...
It seems like any hope one can have of heaven is mitigated by fear of hell ... it almost makes me want to be an atheist again.
CRYSTAL: Yeah... that's never really made sense to me... the idea of being buried in "unhallowed ground," suicide being about the worst thing a person can do... Frankly to me it sounds a bit reactionary - like maybe people came up with this because life can really be very hard and discouraging at times, so vigorously condemning anyone who kills him/herself is a way of coping with any tendencies in that direction that one may harbor oneself out of fear of them.
A person who commits suicide is usually a deeply unhappy person. (Not counting where it's a social institution - the Japanese pilots in WWII, Romans falling on their swords etc.) Morally, nothing in me wants to see them "punished" for this AFTER they die!
I’m sorry for your loss. When I read In Memoriam as an undergrad I remember thinking it looked like it could be helpful in coming to terms with grief in one’s own life. Haven’t read Lewis.
Interesting that with some people, mortality is an issue that results in a lot of soul searching or even a crisis of faith. Not that I’ve talked to tons of people about this, but I can think of at least two or three people who’ve given me the impression that death is no problem for them. Not that they worked through it, just that death presents no problem or challenge to them – in terms of life’s meaning – and never did.
That never crossed my mind, and I wonder what others would have to say about it. To me it makes sense logically, but I'm not certain that it fits anyone's actual experience or position, if that makes sense?
What I think you mean is this:
People who have hope for life in a sweeping, global, unspecified sense - as maybe suggested by Tennyson's "one far-off divine event" and whom I termed "General Hopers" - might actually prefer to be "Specific Hopers." But they're unable or unwilling to specify, for example, that they think the body survives death, or the soul does, or that Jesus was resurrected, Muhammad was Seal of the Prophets, we're all reincarnated according to karmic law...
Certainly in most matters, being specific is better than being overgeneralized or vague...
Is that necessarily the case for anyone who's religious or spiritual? One thought that occurs to me is that in this area, it seems that the more specific people get, the more they disagree.
I wonder what any "generally hopeful" readers might think about this? Are you aspiring to the universal or are you being vague by default because you can't be specific?
I have no idea whats happens after death...theres a bible scripture that says, With God anything is possible.
let's hope you are a sport, then...
I tagged you, though it's a pretty simple tag.
Keshi.
KATHY: Thanks, that suggest a response to the conversation Raffi and I are having - "General Hopers" may not necessarily be frustrated "Specific Hopers"; they may feel that they don't know enough about the specifics to be able to say what they are.
KESHI: I figured somebody had to say it so I was going by the doctrine of "preemptive joke." As an American, I feel a certain duty to try to model myself on the Cheney administration...
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