Thursday, March 27, 2008

Forgive Me: A Spirit of Plagiarism

For this post, I just organized everyone’s comments from the previous thread. Here’s what I came up with – I’ve paraphrased at times, sometimes turned statements into questions and added a few questions of my own.

Toward Conceptualizing Forgiveness: Forgiveness is…

1. Not taking revenge; this involves a healing process.
2. A release of anger and resentment that can become a habit (Beth’s link).
3. Letting go with no expectations. (Letting go of what?)
4. “Giving completely” – as based on the word’s etymology. (Giving what completely?)
5. Recognizing that everyone makes mistakes and not judging others.
6. A way of expressing love.
7. It’s one way of not clinging or attaching to the egoistic self. Forgiveness can be viewed as part of the larger process of personal growth.
8. It’s for one’s own sake and not others. {I added this one since it usually comes up.}

Forgiveness-Distinctions

1. Forgiving vs. forgetting: we don’t forget in order not to get hurt again in the same way.
2. Forgiving self vs. forgiving others.

Forgiveness Variables

1. Whether the wrongdoer has apologized or changed their behavior for the better.
2. How severe is the harm inflicted? There’s a broad range – from, say, a stinging insult to being physically tortured.
3. What if the wrongdoing is ongoing instead of in the past? Can we, for example, remain in a relationship with someone whose behavior is harmful to us and keep forgiving them at the same time that we’re being harmed? What if we’re unable to leave the relationship? Think, for example, of the frail elderly and severely disabled who may literally be unable to escape situations of abuse or neglect.
4. Relationship of forgiveness to the idea of sin.

Anything to clarify? Add? Do you think any of these ideas are especially on target concerning what forgiveness is, how people manage to forgive and what can make forgiveness difficult?

19 Comments:

Blogger vishesh said...
i can't believe it...just realised we humans tend to forgive without our own knowledge...guess the universe heals us...
10:48 AM  

Anonymous gautami tripathy said...
Everyone says forgive and let go. Is it easy? Not for me.
8:27 PM  

Blogger Paul said...
VISHESH: Can you give an example, either real or hypothetical?

GAUTAMI: It has to be one of the major issues people struggle with - looks to me like there's a whole lot of discussion of this topic on blogs.
10:30 PM  

Blogger Frieda said...
forgiveness is difficult because we give too much meaning to it ...because we think to forgive is to forget the act that was done to us, or to forgive is to humble ourself, and just plain the ego that makes it hard for us to forgive..
12:26 AM  

Blogger Keshi said...
isnt that wonderful Paul.

Keshi.
2:12 AM  

Blogger Paul said...
FRIEDA: That sounds right to me - that the ego is what finally makes it hard to forgive.

My impression is that most people are pretty clear that forgetting is impossible. However, I've noticed that when people say "I can forgive but never forget," it's often uttered with a certain edge that suggests that often the person hasn't really forgiven either...

KESHI: You agree with everything? To me, it seems like some of these ideas need clarification or aren't necessarily compatible with others...
9:42 AM  

Blogger Ananya said...
Forgivness is dificult but it finishes grudge for any one.
very nicely written
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10:52 AM  

Blogger Carrie Wilson Link said...
Why is this so hard, when we know it's the thing to do, and in the end, we feel so much better? Ego? Our humanity? What is the hang up?
10:53 AM  

Anonymous almostgotit said...
Great post on an important topic, and thank you for writing it. Not an easy thing, forgiveness, and I think we do each other a disservice to insist on a "just do it" approach.
11:01 AM  

Blogger Matthew said...
And is it possible for person A to "forgive" person B for something he did to person C?
12:39 PM  

Anonymous Anonymous said...
I liked what I read about forgiviness... I was just writing about forgiveness and what it means to me: ~Forgive and Blame~

There was a wind
Passing through
In a rose field
There was tiny rose
Fighting the airy blows
So she whispered to the wind
"Please blow breezily"
Swaying as she whispered her words
Hearing the pleads
The laughter of the wind arisen
In a heartily laughter
"Forgive me for I'm destined to blow
Yet when all my windy air dies
Blame me lovingly"
The wind spoke still holding his laughter
Then he paused in a frown
As a thought trailed his mind
That a windy journey is unpredictable
Who knows if they will cross each other's path
He could not hold his words
As this could be his last breath of air
"Happiness overwhelmed me
When I touched the petals of you
You swayed as if in a dance
Knowing that when I'm all gone
Standing still is all you can do
Now you will remember me
That I was the wind
Who once took you in a spin
And you are my rose
Vigorously stood against my wind"
The wind ended his words
With one brave smile
Yet it pinched hearing himself
Pouring these words
The rose sensed the agony
In her usual delicate form
She whispered to him
"I will forgive you for the stillness before you came in
Then will blame you for the swings that I'm in
As my world can not spin without your wind"
Both laughed at her words
And separated with laughter

Copyright 2008 Nasra Al Adawi



"I'm not so good of art of forgiving, so I work on an art of keeping a distance and then I allow it to heal my anger and disappointment. Yes I'm hurt I tell myself but I know I have to carry on with clear heart. Distance becomes my ally of sipping away my anger and eventually I trail my way to forgiveness. It takes time; it takes a lot of time to master the art of forgiveness. I always tell myself if the Creator of the universe gives his creation many chances, I'm just a human, I can not condemn those who hurt me forever. I have to find a leap of light peering through darkness"

Hope you will enjoy my journey ofr forgiveness

Nasra
1:27 PM  

Anonymous kimiam said...
True forgiveness cannot and should not be given to someone who is still actively harming you. First you must achieve physical, emotional and psychological safety.

To demand forgiveness for an abuser and to accuse a victim of being unforgiving is to further victimize. To demand a victim willingly continue to be victimized and profess to have forgiven is to dehumanize.


...just a couple of important points from my own personal experience.

Excellent topic.
4:50 PM  

Blogger n2 said...
I was recently drawn to the words "Everything, one nature, inseparable, though distinct."

Forgiveness is easier in that reflection.
9:42 PM  

Blogger Paul said...
ANANYA: Yes, “grudge” or maybe resentment - those sound like the right sort of words to describe what’s held onto with lack of forgiveness. And as Carrie adds…

CARRIE: Right – not only is it difficult, as Ananya just mentioned, but even when you’re perfectly clear that it’s the thing to do, it can still be hard. Why? That’s a great question. Maybe that should be a whole follow up post – probably not the next one though. I think this is going to turn into at least three or four posts…

ALMOSTGOTIT: Good point. I've also seen a lot of material that really doesn’t say much more than “just do it because you’ll feel better.” But I think most people struggling with forgiveness know that already!

MATTHEW: I have the feeling that in some cases it would be easier to forgive something done to someone else than to forgive a wrong done to oneself and in some cases harder – depending on how close you were to the person who was wronged and how severe the damage done to the loved one was.

It may be that lack of forgiveness ends up being about the self either way – that the inability to let go of harm done to another may principally have to do with how closely one identifies with the other.

ANONYMOUS/NASRA: “Blame” – that’s a good word to describe what’s involved with not forgiving. Also “anger” – blame strikes me as a certain kind of anger. Combine that with Ananya’s “grudge” above and it may start to give a handle on the main obstacles to forgiveness. Maybe for next post…

You’re right about the passage of time giving distance that can allow for healing – that’s probably what Vishesh had in mind. Of course, people can also hang onto grudges over time, so forgiveness isn’t automatic with time’s passage.

I especially like the ending of your poem, thanks for posting it.

KIMIAM: I agree - at least in most situations. Furthermore, I’m not even sure it’s possible to forgive while still in the process of getting hurt. That said, I actually know someone in the kind of situation I mentioned – one that this individual can’t get out of simply because the person can’t live independently anymore. While X’s situation is deplorable, other options (some form of institutional care) would definitely be worse.

It’s really hard on X, and I don’t know how X manages to forgive either. But if X doesn’t do that, or something similar, then X is left not only with the harm of the other person’s actions, but the experience of deepening bitterness.

N2: The inability to forgive is predicated on having an ego for sure. (On this blog we’ve talked about a personal God vs. God as nature or being itself. Whether the self is best apprehended as personal could also be a topic…)
11:31 PM  

Blogger vishesh said...
hmmm...ok you called it childish...but actually i have forgiven a guy a former classmate...because of whom i think i lost all my friends...yes there still that tension between us...but i don't intend to harm him...infact i tried to help him when he got into trouble...and other examples...hmm...people forgive without knowing when because of time they realise that the injustice done to them has helped...
7:12 AM  

Blogger Paul said...
VISHESH: Childhood examples can be good ones - a lot of wrongs are done to people as kids, and even the minor ones aren't felt as minor at the time.I like your example because it answers my question while raising a second question that might be important regarding what forgiveness is.

What I'd been thinking is that the passage of time in and of itself wouldn't seem to be enough to bring about forgiveness - there are people who hold grudges and vendettas for literally a lifetime.

Here you've mentioned realizing, in retrospect, that the wrong done actually proved helpful. So in your example the passage of time brought about a realization which resulted in... forgiveness, do you think?

Is it "forgiveness" when it happens pretty much on its own rather than as a conscious act?
8:58 AM  

Blogger vishesh said...
i still think it is forgiveness....we are after all letting go :P
12:43 AM  

Blogger Don Iannone said...
This is a really valuable post, Paul. So much to think about.

Forgiveness is a hard issue for most people; me included. Forgiving oneself seems hardest from my standpoint. I continue reminding myself about the wonder and power of God's grace. As they say, by the Grace of God...
9:37 AM  

Blogger Paul said...
VISHESH: That's why I qualified my exceptions - an element of forgiveness could be present, but if the "letting go" is really more a "falling away" - I don't think forgiveness works that way, that rather the word is intended to refer to something done consciously, deliberately - on purpose.

Here's an example of pure "dropping away"/not-forgiveness from my own school days. A much bigger classmate bullied me early in high school. A couple years passed during which he wasn't in any of my classes, hardly saw him. Long story short, on graduation day, in front of a whole bunch of people, he came over and apologized - the most sincere and really courageous apology I've ever experienced.

My feelings were changed in an instant. Resentment and dislike were replaced by real admiration for the person he'd become during those last couple years. I don't feel like I forgave him because I wouldn't even have known how to stay mad at him after he did that.

DON I: It's a complicated issue - so many ways it can affect us. You mention self forgiveness as a particular difficulty. For me, it's how to forgive someone else for bodily harm. Prior to that, I thought I had forgiveness all figured out. But while I dealt easily with, say, another's rudeness or moodiness, it turns out that for me, living with increased functional limitation and pain because of someone else not having their head and heart in the right place is a much harder thing.
11:28 AM  

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