Wednesday, May 13, 2009

What I Mean by “Spiritual” and “Psychological”

I use the words “spiritual” and “psychological” as follows:

“Spiritual” refers to the most powerfully experienced, powerfully motivating and therefore the most productive and creative aspects of our inner lives when we become highly aware of them. These include love, faith and the experience of our direct relationship with the One in whom we live and move have our being, whether we think of the One as life or being itself or as God.

“Psychological” refers to the self or personality as a whole. While this includes our spiritual nature, it also includes our egoism and the ways in which our spirituality and egoism express themselves – and often struggle with each other – through the unique set of abilities and forms of intelligence that we have as individuals.

13 Comments:

Blogger Vincent said...
I don't have much to argue about with this, oddly enough.

But it would be nice if you can, preferably in a post all on its own, rather than a comment, address the topic "What I mean by egoism".

Surely then there will be something to argue about, if you're up for that!

Best wishes as always.
9:14 AM  

Blogger Paul said...
VINCENT, thanks, and for the suggestion. I have no immediate plans to post on egoism but it's a good thought.
12:45 PM  

Anonymous Liara Covert said...
The human mind creates divisions that do not exist in order to perpetuate ego restlessness. In truth, hierarchies do not exist. Difference does not exist either. To work patiently and diligently with what you come to know inside helps you grasp what Christ means when he says, "The Kingdom of heaven is within you."
2:30 PM  

Blogger Paul said...
LIARA: It's possible to experience states of mind in meditation and sometimes spontaneously where we stop making distinctions, or come close. This is a profound and potentially transforming kind of experience.

That said, language itself functions by distinguishing one concept from the next. You wouldn't have been able to express your thoughts here and I wouldn't be able to respond - and disagree! - if there really were no such thing as differences or distinctions.
2:43 PM  

Blogger Pauline said...
Are you implying that the psychological is not included in the spiritual? If ego is "the part of a person's self that is able to recognize that person as being distinct from other people and things," a feeling of self-respect and personal worth," and "your consciousness of your own identity" (all from thefreedictionary.com) how does said ego and the recognition of the spiritual self struggle against each other? Aren't our thoughts and beliefs about ourselves, our origins, and our reasons for existence learned from, encouraged, or enabled by others? Even if we have a powerful (and what we consider original) "spiritual" experience, don't we compare and judge it against our previous thoughts and judgments and/or against the beliefs of others?
4:04 PM  

Blogger Paul said...
PAULINE: By egoism I mean selfishness. A person's psychology includes our spiritual nature, our egoism and the ways in which our spirituality and egoism express themselves – and often struggle with each other – through the unique set of abilities and forms of intelligence that we have as individuals.

No doubt all of that is influenced by our experiences with others and by our prior thoughts.
6:23 PM  

Blogger Vincent said...
I'm with Pauline on this one, Paul. That is, I understand egoism to be a philosophy of living based on ego, being “self-centred” in the sense of respecting one’s self and its distinctness from others; and “even looking out for oneself” as a sound method of playing the game of life.

When you call egoism “selfishness”, and contrast it with spirituality, as if the two embody the principles of evil and good, everyone will understand what you mean. But your attitude and experience are not universal.

I challenge the notion, which incidentally appears to be fundamental to your book, that spirituality and ego are at war with one another within the psychological make-up of every individual. Certainly it’s a way of interpreting the world that’s pervasive in the culture that you and I share, but it’s a way amongst others.

Pauline starts by even suggesting that the psychological is part of the spiritual, rather than the other way round, though the rest of her comment doesn’t amplify this thought. It’s a liberating idea though. I remember the moment when I read John O’Donohue’s view, expressed in his book Anam Cara, that the body is situate within the soul and not the other way round. Scales seemed to fall from my eyes, as with the original namesake of Paul and Pauline.

I don’t experience a struggle between selfishness and spirituality. One may over-ride the other, it’s true. When someone threatens my life, I might have to kill him and in that moment I may not be able to or indeed I may prefer not to look into his eyes and see the divine spark that we have in common. (I think I could and would, but my hunch has not been tested.) In another situation a spiritual impulse may cause me to let go my own interest or even my life to protect another’s. And when they interview me afterwards, I will be like the others and say modestly that I merely did my duty, or what any man would do, and believe it too.

There’s a passage in a Martin Amis novel that impressed me recently, in which the narrator tells someone that in a military battle, or some kind of infernal rebellion, the protagonist doesn’t feel the hate that he is trained to feel and generally supposed to feel. What impels him is love: not just for the comrades on his own side but the ones he has to kill as well, for he sees they are just like him. But in that struggle against the Other—his necessity to act in this world—he becomes one: free of the internal struggle.

I’m not saying you are wrong, Paul, just trying to illustrate with some clunky examples that other views are possible.
12:50 AM  

Blogger Pauline said...
ah, egotism! different than egoism. now what you said makes more sense...
4:43 PM  

Blogger Paul said...
VINCENT: People can use the word ego in different ways, so I agree with most of what you’re saying, including the idea that seeing the sort of struggle that's involved with spiritual growth as a “war between good and evil” is an unhelpful way of looking at it.

PAULINE: And with either spelling, people seem to develop concepts in this area that have similarities but also significant differences.
7:18 PM  

Blogger Pauline said...
Though the difference appears slight, the definitions of egoism and egotism differ. There are several different categories of egoism: ethical egoism, that says individuals ought to do what is in their self-interest, psychological egoism, which states that individuals are always motivated by self-interest, rational egoism, the belief that it is rational to act in one's self-interest, and solipsism, sometimes called egoism, that's the belief that only one's self exists, or that only the experiences of one's self can be verified. (I think sometimes I veer toward solipsism.)

Egotism, on the other hand, is an excessive or exaggerated sense of self-importance and often is associated with selfishness. It's a common spelling mistake, according to one dictionary I consulted, and is considered by some to be a misapprehension that it means the same thing as egoism. You've pointed out before that words are a difficult means of communication. I agree - making one's thoughts completely clear to another is sometimes a Herculean task. Still, I enjoy reading here and bouncing your ideas off my own thought-board. Keeps me on my toes ;)
9:08 PM  

Blogger Paul said...
PAULINE: Thanks for an overview of many of the definitions. Additionally, egoism is sometimes used to mean egotism.

In developing a concept of ego, which is broader than a definition, you have to choose the form of the word with the overall connotations best suited to your concept.
1:39 PM  

Blogger Nabeel said...
Nicely explained, but I think both are an integral part of our brain, i.e. generated through the brain or felt through the power of our brain. Remember, that Allah showed pride, after creating the brain. It's a hadiths
6:33 PM  

Blogger Paul said...
NABEEL, thanks, and I think so too. It seems to me that every experience we can know and describe occurs in connection with having a brain.

For me, and it sounds like for you too, the fact that we're here with our brains to have these experiences is amazing.
6:48 PM  

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