Maintaining Spiritual Integrity Under Fire: Anger at God or Life vs. Detachment
Your comments to the previous thread were fantastic and really made me think about this subject in some ways that I hadn’t before. There’s enough material in your collective comments for more than one additional post on this topic; I’m going to start by trying to unravel just one thread of the discussion thread to see if we can get universal agreement on it.
Because if we can’t get universal health care, maybe we can still get that… (But probably not…)
Let’s Call It “Non Attachment” Then…
Crystal notes that the idea of detachment sounds emotionless and cold. Susie Q similarly says that she feels uncomfortable with the word:
“If being detached means I am unable to feel justifiable outrage at a wrong, if being detached means I am unable to feel passion enough to stand up for something or someone, then I believe I prefer being attached.
“I don't want to be aloof about life in order to gain inner peace. I want to be emotionally involved in living.”
Kaushik remarks that “detachment” is more accurately rendered “non-attachment,” and that it’s not detachment from compassion or from living but from the drama of the ego.
My tendency is to say OK everybody, let’s just follow Kaushik’s suggestion and call it “non-attachment” instead of “detachment” – problem solved. To me the objections have always seemed to linguistic. Why? Two reasons:
I Have Neither Met nor Become a Meditation Zombie
First, my own experience of increasing non attachment (most of it unfolded on its own but there were times when I worked at it through meditation and mindfulness practices) has, over time, made me warmer, less self conscious, more available to others and able to preserve my sense of humor under adverse conditions. Second, I’ve never heard or read of anyone becoming a cold or aloof person as a result of increasing non attachment.
Certainly some percentage of people who seek non attachment become ego-involved with it, coming to view themselves as superior to others and therefore becoming cold, aloof, condescending or otherwise obnoxious. But this is the opposite of non attachment. It’s “spiritual pride,” the “holier than thou” attitude which is a mistake that followers of any religious tradition or spiritual path can make.
On the Other Hand, There’s Job’s Wife…
Raymond to Crystal (applies to Susie Q too I think): “Like Job's wife, you are insisting on an authentic experience of life. I think, like her you would refuse to buy Job's excuse for God's ruthless action; that refusal would be a sign of integrity on your part.
“Said Job's wife, ‘Curse God and die.’ A brave woman, to say the least.”
Raymond goes on to ask whether we should each go for whatever works for us or if further consideration of the meaning of non attachment is in order.
Let’s assume that the first inclination of any of us faced with great adversity would be to try to resolve it or overcome it. If that can’t be done, the question becomes: Do some of us find integrity by remaining in grief or outrage while others find it by letting go and moving on? Different strokes for different folks?
Note that letting go and moving on does not and cannot mean forgetting that terrible adversity is terrible adversity. For example…
The Job in Me
I don’t like my pressure sores, waking up several times a night from nerve pain, my diminishing ability to stand and "walk" (shuffle forward unsteadily for very short distances), being unable to sit at all and having to work at the computer kneeling on a chair outfitted with pressure sore padding while having to use a timer to remember to get off the chair and stand up every 15 minutes to try to keep the pressures sores from worsening any faster than they already are. I don’t like watching my disease continue to progress, my spine curve more and more, inexorably spending more of each day in bed and with more of my up-time taken up by interacting with health care aides and medical issues. It’s been almost five years since I’ve been able to leave the house; I don’t like that either.
I don’t like the effects that all this has had on my family over the past sixteen years. I don’t like watching my mom become increasingly confused with the progression of what looks like Alzheimer’s. I don't like the tremendous stress that my only sibling is under.
I don’t like any of this at all and I realize that fact. I understand it. I’m fully cognizant of it. I couldn’t forget it if tried.
But I spend almost no time reminding myself of this stuff, thinking about how much I dislike it, dwelling on it – hating it or grieving it. However, in the early years of the disease, I did plenty of both.
Going through that sort of process with any major new adversity is probably inevitable for any human being – attached, non-attached, detached, semidetached… I say “probably” because I notice that with major new events I now react much less. It takes me three days to get over something that would have taken me three or four years if it had struck a decade ago.
Do we continue to grieve or hate what we can’t change, finding integrity in this, or do we move on in the sense of refocusing our attention on the possibilities that remain? Do we identify with the dimension of ourselves that lets us move on, or the dimension of ourselves that says, “This is unacceptable?"
Because if we can’t get universal health care, maybe we can still get that… (But probably not…)
Let’s Call It “Non Attachment” Then…
Crystal notes that the idea of detachment sounds emotionless and cold. Susie Q similarly says that she feels uncomfortable with the word:
“If being detached means I am unable to feel justifiable outrage at a wrong, if being detached means I am unable to feel passion enough to stand up for something or someone, then I believe I prefer being attached.
“I don't want to be aloof about life in order to gain inner peace. I want to be emotionally involved in living.”
Kaushik remarks that “detachment” is more accurately rendered “non-attachment,” and that it’s not detachment from compassion or from living but from the drama of the ego.
My tendency is to say OK everybody, let’s just follow Kaushik’s suggestion and call it “non-attachment” instead of “detachment” – problem solved. To me the objections have always seemed to linguistic. Why? Two reasons:
I Have Neither Met nor Become a Meditation Zombie
First, my own experience of increasing non attachment (most of it unfolded on its own but there were times when I worked at it through meditation and mindfulness practices) has, over time, made me warmer, less self conscious, more available to others and able to preserve my sense of humor under adverse conditions. Second, I’ve never heard or read of anyone becoming a cold or aloof person as a result of increasing non attachment.
Certainly some percentage of people who seek non attachment become ego-involved with it, coming to view themselves as superior to others and therefore becoming cold, aloof, condescending or otherwise obnoxious. But this is the opposite of non attachment. It’s “spiritual pride,” the “holier than thou” attitude which is a mistake that followers of any religious tradition or spiritual path can make.
On the Other Hand, There’s Job’s Wife…
Raymond to Crystal (applies to Susie Q too I think): “Like Job's wife, you are insisting on an authentic experience of life. I think, like her you would refuse to buy Job's excuse for God's ruthless action; that refusal would be a sign of integrity on your part.
“Said Job's wife, ‘Curse God and die.’ A brave woman, to say the least.”
Raymond goes on to ask whether we should each go for whatever works for us or if further consideration of the meaning of non attachment is in order.
Let’s assume that the first inclination of any of us faced with great adversity would be to try to resolve it or overcome it. If that can’t be done, the question becomes: Do some of us find integrity by remaining in grief or outrage while others find it by letting go and moving on? Different strokes for different folks?
Note that letting go and moving on does not and cannot mean forgetting that terrible adversity is terrible adversity. For example…
The Job in Me
I don’t like my pressure sores, waking up several times a night from nerve pain, my diminishing ability to stand and "walk" (shuffle forward unsteadily for very short distances), being unable to sit at all and having to work at the computer kneeling on a chair outfitted with pressure sore padding while having to use a timer to remember to get off the chair and stand up every 15 minutes to try to keep the pressures sores from worsening any faster than they already are. I don’t like watching my disease continue to progress, my spine curve more and more, inexorably spending more of each day in bed and with more of my up-time taken up by interacting with health care aides and medical issues. It’s been almost five years since I’ve been able to leave the house; I don’t like that either.
I don’t like the effects that all this has had on my family over the past sixteen years. I don’t like watching my mom become increasingly confused with the progression of what looks like Alzheimer’s. I don't like the tremendous stress that my only sibling is under.
I don’t like any of this at all and I realize that fact. I understand it. I’m fully cognizant of it. I couldn’t forget it if tried.
But I spend almost no time reminding myself of this stuff, thinking about how much I dislike it, dwelling on it – hating it or grieving it. However, in the early years of the disease, I did plenty of both.
Going through that sort of process with any major new adversity is probably inevitable for any human being – attached, non-attached, detached, semidetached… I say “probably” because I notice that with major new events I now react much less. It takes me three days to get over something that would have taken me three or four years if it had struck a decade ago.
Do we continue to grieve or hate what we can’t change, finding integrity in this, or do we move on in the sense of refocusing our attention on the possibilities that remain? Do we identify with the dimension of ourselves that lets us move on, or the dimension of ourselves that says, “This is unacceptable?"








18 Comments:
When you talk about "the drama of the ego" would you mind giving me an example (a very short story maybe) of what is meant by that? Is it anything like the term "drama queen?"
I was wondering something. You say that you are able to get over things easier today than when you were younger. Me too. Some of that comes with age. Do you suppose that this is especially true for you because you've been to the "mountain" through your health adversity and the suffering it causes so that almost everything else looks like "molehills" to you by comparison?
It is much easier for me to understand the term "letting go",because I have "been there, done that." My father said something profound once about letting go. He was in his seventies and adjusting to being older and unable to do what he did when he was younger. He said, "You let go of life a little at a time." He always found a replacement for whatever he had to let go of so that he could continue to enjoy living.
I have more thoughts, but this is all for tonight.
I think some of each. That may be what Crystal was referring to when she balked at the word 'detachment.' We may find ourselves needing to move on in order to survive and at the same time, we want to hold onto whatever energy surrounds the unacceptable so that we don't become immune to strong feelings.
Kaushik mentioned the drama of the ego. I think that drama might just be our story (or stories). We constantly make up stories about who we are and what we're about and what it all means. And detachment or non-attachment could be considered the happy ending. Our stories don't necessarily end - they just don't have the judgmental conclusions they did before we recognized our dual role as main character AND author...
It presents evil as a kind of alien force – something one expects from Satan. Good and evil are very much different worlds.
And then you have a God who is viewed as highly human-like – except for having literally the ability to do whatever (S)he wants. So when God so conceived allows things to happen that a moral person would never allow, it's very hard to accept.
Susie – I haven’t used the phrase, but I think “drama” comes from Eckhart Tolle’s writing and that yes, it would be related to the “drama queen” idea – basically the idea that egoism actually enjoys and thrives on self-centered and negative forms of emotionality and conflict.
Aging and other forms of sustained adversity can definitely aid in that letting go process – though not necessarily. We’ve all known people who end up being embittered by the same kinds of experiences.
Pauline – “Holding on” could mean at least two different things.
On the one hand, as I mention in the post, becoming less attached doesn’t mean forgetting stuff you don’t like or are against. I don’t really know how anyone could actually do that – seems like you’d have to have a lobotomy.
On the other hand, holding on could mean repeatedly dwelling on how much you hate things that you can’t do anything about – private ranting sessions. Personally, the less of that I’ve done the better off I’ve been mentally.
I think being less attached does mean being less judgmental – not in the sense of no longer recognizing reprehensible conduct as reprehensible, but not condemning the person as if you had some special insight into their very soul or essence and knew them to be intrinsically, irredeemably bad – sources of evil in themselves who couldn’t possibly ever change and who would have been evil no matter what – who could never have turned out differently the way the rest of us know we might have if we’d had, say, different parents, opportunities, and other early experiences. And who, as people to be ultimately judged and condemned by the rest of us, apparently selected their own genes prior to conception.
So you can passionately be against, say, rape and murder, and passionately desire to see rapists and murderers incarcerated to prevent further victimizations – but just as passionately be against capital punishment and against dwelling on and inflaming your own vengeful thoughts.
Non attachment and non judgment, to my mind, are respectively about letting go of roiling, reactionary emotions that do no good for anyone and actually just make us miserable; and not presuming to know more than we possibly can about others.
I did not mean to imply dwelling in misery or not letting go of associated ill will, but rather, recognizing that the energy of an emotion should not be discarded.
It’s true though, thinking about it, that people can become less impassioned in ways that aren’t positive through probably any number of psychological processes – say, youthful idealism turning to self-satisfied materialism. My point is only that I haven’t known increasing non attachment to make people less passionate in positive ways – and in fact, just the opposite. As far as I've seen, non attachment tends to get people beyond emotions that are self defeating and constrictive of a generous inner life.
Hi Parker
Fair enough, I appreciate your candor.
Here is mine: I cannot imagine any human unworthy of my attention. And so I greatly appreciate what you have written here. You have my dedicated attention.
ciao,
Raymond
Marilyn McCord says, “If you are idealistic and optimistic, if you think life is worth living,…this is not a rational posture, unless you think there is some superhuman power who is capable of making good on the many and various horrors that human beings perpetrate every day on one another.”
Okay, that is one way to look at it. My experience is different. I find life worth living because of the unconditional love I experience. Because my experience of that love is unconditional, there is no need in my case, to have my experience conditioned on having a God to either exist or not exist.
ciao,
Raymond
"I think we are talking about emotional stability and serenity, not coolness. I find this peace cited in the bible, eastern religions, and other places..."
It brings the "serenity prayer” to mind:
"God grant me the serenity to accept the things I cannot change, the courage to change the things I can, and the wisdom to know the difference."
Personally, for really difficult matters where the silver lining can’t nearly make up for its black cloud, I prefer the phrase "coming to terms" over the word "acceptance."
This may point toward what Pauline, Susie and Crystal are getting at. Serenity doesn't mean no longer having our values, ideals and aspirations.
Yes, I think she is wrong in believing that the only way one can be optimistic is to believe in God. My sister listened to that podcast and totally disagreed with her :)
I do think she's right, though, that many people (including me) do a lot of rationalizing or compartmentalizing in order to be positive about life when there is so much suffering in the world. I guess I mean that even if we are lucky enough to have a good life, it can be hard to enjoy that knowing others are not so lucky.
I agree and thank you for an insighful conversation.
ciao,
Raymond
Really strikes a chord with what my mom is going through. Seems like she's never going to just be able to go out and "leave me behind." She goes for a walk and remembers back when I could walk in the park with her, she goes to a family event and wishes I could have been there...
I agree with you - some element of sadness, whether it's over a personal thing like this or witnessing suffering in the wider world, is going to be there. As compassion always, but also, in processing adverse events, as grief. But "getting stuck" in grief - that's where it seems to me that it becomes problematic.
I agree with you - some element of sadness, whether it's over a personal thing like this or witnessing suffering in the wider world, is going to be there. As compassion always, but also, in processing adverse events, as grief. But "getting stuck" in grief - that's where it seems to me that it becomes problematic.
I don't think Adams is advocating being stuck in grief. It's more, at least for me, a sense that something is very wrong, that life should not be like this, that something should be done to change things, and if they can't be changed (as you point out with that serenity prayer) then one shouldn't be serene :) one should be appalled.
I saw a post elsewhere about Buddhism which noted that it seems like peace is the most important bottom line in Buddhism, rather than justice. Peace at any cost seems sort of self-serving to me.
Sorry - I'm going to shut up now :)
I'm no student of history but I'm pretty sure monks, like priests, have often been on the front lines of social justice issues – take the monks in Tibet today, for example, also in that other radically suppressed country with a dictator whose name I’m forgetting.
To me a lot of this comes down to something Lisa aka MommyMystic mentioned - that there's more than one level to all of us. Personally speaking, discovering a level that is unconditionally at peace has in no way made me passionless, aloof, cold or less caring - it did the opposite. Also speaking personally, there is a more superficial level where my emotion is whiny, complaining, and really more about me than others even when it seems have others as its object, and I’ve been glad to watch this aspect of myself fade – but I find there’s no getting rid of it altogether.
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