Wednesday, August 26, 2009

What’s Not to Like? Spirituality and Detachment

“When the mind is transparent and pure as if reflected on the mirror-like surface of the water, there is nothing in the world that you would dislike. When it is serene as the light breeze in the sunshine, there will be no one whom you would like to forget.”

Pa-ta Shan-jen 17th century painter
Translated by Chang Chung-yuan in his book Creativity and Taoism, A Study of Chinese Philosophy, Art, and Poetry.

I recently received this quotation in an email. I not only don’t dislike it; I like it, even though this post may make it sound like I don’t. I feel that I understand what it’s pointing to – at least I have my own perspective on this. However, I’ll save that for next post. Here I’ll look at how statements of this kind can present some problems.

Sciatica and Other Mystical Experiences

The idea that “there is nothing in the world that you would dislike” if you were sufficiently detached or enlightened certainly makes sense if we think about those moments when we’re actually in an altered state of consciousness – i.e., actively having a mystical or “non-dualistic” experience. In those moments one doesn’t dislike a thing.

However, you could say the same thing about any experience that completely consumes your attention. Twice I was literally floored by sciatica attacks. They were mind-eclipsing. I didn’t think at all about how much I disliked them until well afterward. Severe pain too is a non-judgmental condition…

"Brother John, Don't Forget Our Meeting After Vespers..."

Concepts like detachment and enlightenment seem to suggest not just that we can have brief experiences that are completely accepting and non judgmental, but that it’s possible to always or usually be in such a mental state.

It’s hard for me to imagine how this would be possible. Non-dualistic, judgment-free consciousness might well be experienced with greater frequency and purity if a person were to work intensively at this in a certain kind of setting– say lots of trees, little traffic, fresh air… for example, a monastery – but even here it would be surprising if the experience could go on in an uninterrupted manner for very long at an intense, “altered state of consciousness” level. And most of us not only live in environments less serene than monasteries but also have jobs (so do monks…) and other regular forms of human interaction requiring our attention to deviate from pure non-dualistic/non judgmental awareness frequently throughout the day.

The Wise Sage Avoids a Hot Stove

A pure state of mind in which "there’s nothing in the world that we dislike” as consisting of more than a transitorily recurring experience is also belied by the very undertaking of practices and a way of life for cultivating this form of consciousness. What basis for aspiring to realize this and not some other kind of mental state can there be other than strongly liking and positively evaluating detachment – and, conversely, having a distinct dislike and negative evaluation for states of mind that are antithetical to detachment?

Also, going by the things they try to avoid, mystics don’t like pebbles in their shoes, computer glitches, eating spoiled food, getting run over by motor vehicles... Their complete list of dislikes looks a lot like other people’s.

“Detach From One Another”

Many religiously and spiritually-minded people see love as the apex of spirituality and find it hard to reconcile the joy, affirmation and impassioned desire for the well being of others that they experience in love with a state of mind described in terms such as being free from all desire and aversion, likes and dislikes and completely accepting things as they are without judgment. I think the confusion here is a matter of language –how words are used and what they are taken to refer to.

The bottom line for me is that the way of increasing love and the way of increasing detachment, far from proceeding in different directions, is one and the same path. Maybe more next post…

30 Comments:

Anonymous Giovanna Garcia said...
Detachment is the key to spirituality freedom. The more we can be detached the less we are tie down.
Thanks for sharing.
Giovanna Garcia
Imperfect Action is better than No Action
3:44 AM  

Blogger Vincent said...
Paul I am completely with you on this one. It is perfectly obvious to me that one cannot be in a continuously detached state of mind. We wouldn't last long anyhow because pain, distress, fear, humiliation etc are there for a life-saving, life-supporting purpose: messages to heed.

For example, if in the last few months my peace of mind had not been disturbed by unpleasant smells in my kitchen, I would not have discovered various water leaks, rotten floorboards and now possibly a broken sewer pipe.

And if some sage who had achieved nirvana, buddhahood and continuous bliss invited me to his house, I would be reluctant, because I could imagine it smelling very bad indeed.
7:40 AM  

Blogger Pauline said...
For me, the clearest form of detachment is the thought that "this too, shall pass." Knowing that, accepting that, puts my mind at ease, allowing me to see the possibilities beyond what I am suffering. It involves no judgment, no grasping, no condemnation. It is my candle in the darkness. There are times, true, when I wish whatever I was suffering would pass a whole lot faster but knowing that it will change is often enough to open the door to a modicum of detachment.
8:25 AM  

Anonymous Daphne @ Joyful Days said...
Paul,

As you know from my last post, I've been giving this some thought too, and am still not sure what to think. I'll be interested to see you develop this train of thought in your next post.
10:13 AM  

Blogger Jan said...
I agree, Paul. Letting go of how we "think" something should be opens us up to more. Even a painful experience--one, out of common sense, we would not choose for ourselves--can be a profound teacher. We can experience it with some degree of detachment. But when we don't, why do we beat ourselves up about it? Berate ourselves that somehow we have missed the spiritual benchmark. Nonsense!

As we are "enlightening" (one of my favorite new words), we let go again and again, esp. of all the feelings/opinions we have about our own responses! We let go and let compassion for ourselves wash over us. All is well...
10:23 AM  

Blogger raymond said...
My experience is that I can have a deep peace at the center of my psyche while still being alert and having preferences (likes and dislikes) at the same time.

I experienced this during war. When I heard the sound of artillery directed at my unit from 5 miles away I either calmly ran for cover, or if cover was too far away I simply laid myself flat on the ground. If one is flat on the ground even if a shell lands 10 feet away one will probably not get hit. If one is not calm, one can easily make the mistake of running too far so that one is still standing up when a shell hits. In this case, standing up, one can be hit even by a shell landing 50 feet away. With inner peace one is able to make the most effective response. This takes surrender. The result of surrender is “the peace that passeth understanding.”

I also experienced this same lack of “fundamental terror” when a fellow in Los Angeles pointed a gun at my head. The Chinese mystic Zhuangzi called the ability to make critical emotionally charged decisions while remaining at peace in the center of one’s heart “the double walk.” He said that he does not let the anxiety get in (ru jin) to his inner heart.”
10:54 AM  

Blogger Paul said...
Wow... these are great comments and coming at such different angles, but I find myself agreeing with all of them.

Out straight today and not sure if I'll get to respond further before tomorrow or the day after... but please read each other's comments and consider replying to each other. This thread strikes me as so... enlightened?
11:11 AM  

Anonymous Robin said...
Hi Paul - perhaps the words are describing a state where we have managed to create a world where we are at peace with ourselves and surroundings - I think we can experience this quite quickly if we simply choose to see ALL things in our world as a reflection of our consciousness.
11:42 AM  

Blogger tuti said...
"..The bottom line for me is that the way of increasing love and the way of increasing detachment, far from proceeding in different directions, is one and the same path."

This makes total sense to me. I would like to work towards it. To love with compassion. Detachment is not indifference. Love holds it together.
12:28 PM  

Blogger DESPERADO said...
I like what you are saying and I'm almost getting it!

I swing between hating everything and everyone to loving most things.
2:11 PM  

Anonymous S.J. Wickham said...
I like your viewpoints, Paul. I think our words do in fact confuse our meanings, unfortunately. I liked the quote. It inspires us to extract the best from ourselves
8:11 PM  

Blogger Paul said...
To All from Paul -

I think what I may do is make my next post basically a matter of summarizing and organizing a lot of these comments instead of responding to everyone individually.

But can you plagiarize your own comments thread? Any blog lawyers out there?

"Blog Law" - kind of awkward to say though and evokes "blah blah..."
8:22 PM  

Blogger Kaushik | beyond-karma.com said...
I see the poet saying that the serenity of awakening is beyond like and dislike.

Detachment (more accurately, non-attachment) is a tough one. I don't see detachment as detachment from compassion or disengagement from living. I see detachment as simply detachment from the drama of the ego.
9:31 PM  

OpenID mommymystic said...
I wasn't sure as I read where you were going, but for me the last paragraph nailed it. Love and detachment are not separate paths. Detachment is detachment from the parts of our being that block love, not aspects of our physical or social environment that need to be dealt with. I don't think 'non-judging' means not dealing with the realities of life, it just means not doing it with anger, resentment, etc. For me it really comes down to the idea of living on multiple levels simultaneously, as came up in the comments of the last thread on this. You know the Zen adage 'before enlightenment, chop wood and carry water, after enlightenment, chop wood and carry water.'
9:36 PM  

Blogger crystal said...
Being detached and non-judgmental seem very different from love to me. Would a detached and non-judgmental person take a stand, would they be outraged about bad things like slavery or war, or would they not want to "judge" anything to be bad? I know I'm in the minority but I think love is about being passionately involved, not being detached.
10:22 PM  

Blogger SusieQ said...
I kind of feel like Crystal here. Even though, Paul, you have written a lot about detachment in an effort to explain its true meaning, I still feel uncomfortable with the word itself.

If being detached means I am unable to feel justifiable outrage at a wrong, if being detached means I am unable to feel passion enough to stand up for something or someone, then I believe I prefer being attached.

I don't want to be aloof about life in order to gain inner peace. I want to be emotionally involved in living.

I suppose I do not completely understand what you mean by detachment.
12:34 AM  

Blogger vishesh said...
Who weeps for a dead leaf?
Who laughs as a flower blooms?


As long as we detached we aren't going to dislike anything :) And well they don't dislike the rotten food..they know it is rotten and therefore not meant for them :) After all it has been claimed by the 'other' creatures :)

Oh there is another time when you stop disliking things and that is when you are sleep deprived..everything either makes sense or is absurd..all you want to do is get sleep..dislike and hate too big a emotions to waste your energy on :)
2:58 AM  

Blogger tuti said...
for me, being detached helps me to be more constructive and objective, without getting my emotions entangled. the emotions are not blurred, i still feel, but i make more rational decisions that way.
4:54 AM  

Blogger Vincent said...
I certainly think that the word "detachment" requires to be clarified, not so much with a definition - it means all sorts of things - but with a context.

Your initial quote from Pa-Ta Shan-Jen does provide such a context and if that is what you mean by detachment, it makes sense. But there it is a poetical/mystical experience, and not a concept. We might try and describe the experience as accepting and non-judgemental, but this is just searching around for appropriate adjectives. We might also associate detachment with love, but again we are trying to put words to a feeling.

I don't have any problem with anything anyone has said in discussion but it seems to me that we are limited to trying to express our own experiences; and that attempts at metaphysical analysis are less likely to succeed.
5:35 AM  

Blogger raymond said...
"I don't have any problem with anything anyone has said in discussion but it seems to me that we are limited to trying to express our own experiences; and that attempts at metaphysical analysis are less likely to succeed."

Hi Vincent

I can only say what works for me, not what "is." For me there is no way for me to certify what is metaphysical "truth." I have only my own experiences, some of which are compelling, some not. Most compelling for me has been the unconditional love that arises when I discard all fundamental judgments.

ciao,
Raymond
6:44 AM  

Blogger Paul said...
Two Quick Points (I do plan to make use of this thread for my next post, thanks for all the insightful comments...)

Vincent and Raymond - Direct experience and not metaphysics - that's what I've found most meaningful - most life-changing - too...

Crystal and Susie - The main thing in considering detachment is what's being detached from. In a nutshell, negative counterproductive forms of emotionality associated with ego. Not the good stuff. (Some of the other comments on this thread point to this...)
10:53 AM  

Anonymous Avani Mehta said...
Being detached doesn't mean to not to feel anything or give up on all pleasures in life. Being detached just means that you don't hold onto anything.

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Am sure you must have heard about Vipassana, it's regular practice does lead you towards detachment and love. The work is intensive and to be done regularly but is effective.

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"But can you plagiarize your own comments thread? Any blog lawyers out there?"

I don't think there should be any kind of problem. But to be on safe side, add this point to your comment policy for future.
1:31 PM  

Blogger crystal said...
I think I understand what you mean - you believe being detached means only disappearing negative emotions. But sometimes the only emotionally healthy response to an event is anger or grief, I think. If your child suffers and dies and all you feel is a non-judgmental peace, I'd say you need therapy, but that's just me :)
2:31 PM  

Anonymous Anonymous said...
dettachment and taking things they are are subjects are not approached as always//

Its shading a light of sides that I never thought of

Regards

Nasra Al Adawi
8:06 PM  

Blogger raymond said...
Hi Crystal

How about non-judgmental grief?

ciao,
Raymond
8:13 PM  

Blogger crystal said...
Hi Raymond,

But why grieve if nothing's "wrong"?

I don't mean to be argumentative. Maybe I feel sort of threatened by the idea of detachment as being emotionless and cold.
9:16 PM  

Blogger raymond said...
Hi Crystal

I don't think you are being argumentative. You are keying into one of the most difficult to explain mystical dynamics. Like Job's wife, you are insisting on an authentic experience of life. I think, like her you would refuse to buy Job's excuse for God's ruthless action; that refusal would be a sign of integrity on your part.

Said Job's wife, "Curse God and die." A brave woman, to say the least.

So where do we go from here? Should we simply say that for the differences between you and me, whatever floats your boat? Or should we go further into this difficult to explain spiritual dynamic? I would be happy to do either. And by the way, I always assume that the other person's opinion is quite plausibly more accurate than my own.

ciao,
Raymond
8:48 AM  

Blogger crystal said...
Hi Raymond :)

Maybe there are two things here - one is a theodicy thing, I mean the paradox about God being all good, all powerful, and yet alowing evil. This really is the biggest challenge to me believing in God or thinking God is good ... I am like Job's wife :) At my own blog in the past I've written a lot about this, still haven't figured it out.

But I think maybe what Paul is saying (and I could be mistaken) is sort of different. I think Paul thinks that events are not intrinsically good or evil but that we give them meaning, and that, for our peace of mind and spiritual growth, we should consider them morally neutral, and most of all, keep a cool emotional distance. I think what this attitude works best at doing is protecting people from pain. But maybe I'm completely misunderstanding what Paul meant?
6:11 PM  

Blogger Paul said...
Crystal - I'd put it more like this:

I do think that events are intrinsically joyful or painful but that we participate in giving them meaning - and that it's less painful and more meaningful to let go of emotions that are finally a matter of spinning our wheels.
7:31 PM  

Blogger raymond said...
"I think Paul thinks that events are not intrinsically good or evil but that we give them meaning, and that, for our peace of mind and spiritual growth, we should consider them morally neutral, and most of all, keep a cool emotional distance. I think what this attitude works best at doing is protecting people from pain."

Hi Crystal

I think we are talking about emotional stability and serentity, not coolness. I find this peace cited in the bible, eastern religions, and other places:

"Rejoice in the Lord always: again I will say, Rejoice. 5 Let your gentleness be known of all men. The Lord is near. 6 Be careful about nothing; but in everything, by prayer and supplication with thanksgiving, let your requests be made known to God; 7 and the peace of God, which surpasses every understanding, shall guard your hearts and your thoughts by Christ Jesus." Philippians 4

What do you think?

ciao,
Raymond
10:43 AM  

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