Monday, November 09, 2009

Personal Immortality – Are You Sure You Want That?

Every moment of your life as you’ve known it has been highly dynamic, a process of change – your experience of a psycho-biological arc of maturing and aging. Throughout, there have been major cumulative changes not only in your biology and inner life, but also your potentiality.

Think, for example, of who you are now and who you were at five. Even as you became the person you’ve become, other possibilities for life have closed down in the wake of that path. For example, whatever training and education you’ve received and whatever you’re doing for work now, you had the potential for many more options when you were born.

Eternity Sounds Really Long…

Would immortality be the extension through all time of your life as it happens to be right now? As it was at age five? Twenty-five? Forty? Is it possible that eternal life-extension isn’t necessarily the best thing that could happen to you? Would you get bored, LOL? I mean, forever – that’s a really long time! Nobody’s even lived a thousand years. Our species has only been around for two hundred thousand years.

And while personal immortality as a kind of reunion with friends and family sounds good to me too, I have to wonder… Much as I loved, say, my Uncle Bob’s goofy sense of humor, would I feel the same after fifty million years?

And if you try to picture doing things with friends and family in a literal end-time - after time ended - what does that mean? Human thought, language, activity, and life are so time-bound that heaven as a glorified version of life as we know it minus the passage of time sounds like a contradiction in terms.

Does Anyone Know Exactly What They're Talking About?

I once read – as I recall it was in a discussion of Hinduism – that what people really want are infinite knowledge, infinite joy, and infinite being. That sounded good to me! Yet it also sounds bigger than me. Inclusive of me, but bigger. And stated in a much less precise way than “Someday you’ll be reunited with your deceased loved ones and enjoy their company again, but this time forever and in perfect health.”

Precise and wonderful as that sounds, not only do I have trouble picturing what an eternity with my loved ones would look like and uncertainty as to whether it’s what I’d really want; I don’t have confidence that it’s realistic or possible. It only takes a little struggle with Einstein’s concepts to realize that your common-sense impressions of what time is are far from the whole story.

What if you don't know enough to know exactly how you want life to turn out?

As Time Allows – I’m no longer able to reply to every comment and email I receive. My illness is progressive and bedridden time has gone up by a couple hours over recent months, so I need to focus on getting posts done. But I read everything I get, and at times take direction from comments and emails for upcoming posts. So please keep them coming and I’ll reply as time allows.

15 Comments:

Blogger tuti said...
i wouldn't mind coming as a family and going as one. that sounds morbid, and would totally upset the scheme of things.
imagine.. the Lee family would cease to exist on xx date. we could have a celebration instead.
saying that, i would like the family to go on to the other world as a family. intact. in spirit form.
2:44 PM  

Blogger Pauline said...
"What if you don't know enough to know exactly how you want life to turn out?"

We don't know enough - and we may never. And I don't. That's why I am both sad and curious at the prospect of death - sad because I now what I'm leaving and curious as to what I will do next...

I like this post a lot.
5:20 PM  

Blogger Kaushik | beyond-karma.com said...
Hi Paul,

I'm sorry you're keeping well. My thoughts of peace and well-being are with you.

Kaushik
6:47 PM  

Blogger Hayden said...
tuti, how could that work? Each family stretches back in a web to the beginning of human time. While you may not remember or want to be with your great great grandmother, probably your great grandmother would remember - and she'd be there because your grandmother insisted, and so forth. Many who would seem peripheral or unnecessary as "part of the family" to you, would be essential to your parents, or to your parent's brothers and sisters.

Really, it would simply mean all people, together, so the concept of family wouldn't have any significance.
8:43 PM  

Blogger tuti said...
hi hayden, that sounds like we all should go together, because inevitably we're all linked. taking adam and eve as our fore-parents.
that won't work i know. sounds like annihilation at one shot.

i can't bear departure. even of friends. so the nearest i could imagine is to have my immediate family come as one and go as one. and if grandpa or grandma happens to be around, i would expect them to be part of that unit.
when we all eventually land in heaven, *ahem*, they can go join up with their parents and so forth.

paul, i am so messing your column here, heh.
10:26 PM  

Blogger Vincent said...
By George, Paul! Perhaps "Good Heavens" would be more appropriate. You have just torpedoed the entire Christian project amidships, before it has even celebrated its 2000th birthday.

"For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life."

The most famous verse in the New Testament, hung outside evangelical churches up and down the land, at least here in the old country, at least in the old days before they subscribed to more irritating slogans ...

And now you have gone and scuppered Christianity, by exposing the undoubted truth that no one, if they really think about it, wants everlasting life at all.

What do people want?

Just a few more years, probably.
1:39 AM  

Anonymous Patty - Why Not Start Now? said...
Hi Paul - What piques my interest about living forever is the chance to try so many things. One of my favorite authors, Robert Johnson, wrote a book: "Living Your Unlived Life." He recommends using a technique called active imagination to live out those stories that we won't have time for. Because, let's face it, there are a lot of other lives out there, a lot of other possibilities. But in the end, I don't think I'd really want to live forever. And I suspect that any yearning we have for the infinite is not so much about time, but rather about depth. What someone called "the infinite within of the human experience." Can't remember who said that. As always, thanks for the thoughtful post.
3:27 AM  

Blogger Lee said...
That would be hell, not heaven.
5:44 AM  

Anonymous Megan "JoyGirl!" Bord said...
So Uncle Bob might get old after 50 million years, eh?! (Ha!) Strange, but I never thought about life after this life --- or that eternal sense of being. Maybe that's what I'll ponder next... Funny you mentioned the Einstein stuff in your post. I spent some time this weekend meditating and doing inquiry that (oddly) I hadn't done before. I wrote about it, and it dovetails nicely with what you have here.
We just won't know, will we? We can't know --- not even what we want. In this life I've been shown so many times that what I think I want isn't always what I want. I'm not smart enough to know what I always want. (smile) And I'm certainly not smart enough to know what's always best for me.
9:21 AM  

Blogger Paul said...
To All from Paul - FYI "Uncle Bob" was sort of a rhetorical device. I needed to protect the identities of my actual deceased relatives...

Patty - "I suspect that any yearning we have for the infinite is not so much about time, but rather about depth. What someone called 'the infinite within of the human experience.'"

That's really nice -
10:17 AM  

Blogger crystal said...
Paul,

Did you say once that your computer can't play audio files? Is that fix-able? I often see podcasts or music I'd like to send you.
3:40 AM  

Blogger Paul said...
Crystal, I appreciate the thought. The problem isn't with the computer but with my physical limitations and the fact that I'm alone most of the time, so there's no one around to give me a hand with stuff that would otherwise be doable.
1:02 PM  

Blogger crystal said...
Sorry. I was thinking that maybe you could listen to stuff when you were at the computer or turn a podcast on as you were finishing - it would only need to be turned on but would turn itself off, and could be listened to from a distance?
2:59 PM  

Blogger Paul said...
Crystal, thanks... no idea where my sister gets some of her phrases, but as she'd put it, "No workie..." It's been a few years since I've listened to music. If I absolutely had to it would be possible but what I'd have to go through makes it not worth it.
7:49 PM  

Blogger crystal said...
I pretty much gave up reading when my vision became worse - I could still do it sometimes if the type wasn't too small, but it was a tiring chore. But then I started listening to books instead of reading them and it made a big difference. I know this isn't the same as things are for you, but perhaps listening to stuff might be easier than the last time you tried, given the better capabilities of computers, ipods, etc.?
12:21 AM  

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