Two Questions
“Why do good people suffer?”
It’s a question that most of us have probably asked ourselves at one time or another. Notice that the question assumes that good people shouldn’t suffer.
Maybe this assumption is partly founded on how as children we’re rewarded for good behavior and punished for bad behavior by the adults in our lives. There are rules. There are consequences. There is the idea of fairness. Even when the adults in a child’s life are actually inconsistent, unpredictable, and unfair, I’d imagine that most of them still reference ideas about the child’s having been “good” or “bad” when meting out rewards and punishments.
As adults, we learn that it’s not unusual for good people to suffer and that often the cause of their suffering is the actions – or inactions – of other people. If you removed the human causes of suffering, life on earth would look almost like heaven! We’d still be mortal, but imagine our quality of life if even a fraction of the billions of dollars that humans spend on warfare were spent instead on the environment, medical research, education…
Saints and Heroes
“Saints” and “heroes” are basically religious and secular versions of the same thing: a person who’s passionately concerned with the wider world, the bigger picture – others as they exist independently of one’s own needs and desires. In human history so far, such people have been more the exception than the rule and so we’ve needed these special words for them. Maybe good people suffer because that’s the best we can do as a species and our fatal flaw is that generation after generation we’ll never be able to produce more than a small fraction of folks who truly care about life beyond themselves.
Or maybe not. Maybe our species will learn better. But it’s becoming pretty clear that if we’re up to that, then the only way we’re going to learn is probably the hard way and that coming generations will see suffering on a massive scale.
A Second Question
“How do you stop being deeply troubled by suffering?”
This is a different question. The answer has to do with a change in perspective and a new sense of identity that’s hard to put into words. I may have posted what follows previously, but it suggests the kind of thing I mean:
Being Here
What is, is. Let me be a piece of that,
Amid the horror, explosions, shatteredness,
The strands of sense and beauty, the irresolvable whole.
WHAT IS is, and I shall be myself.
Contradictions are not resolved, yet I begin to resolve
The contradictions. I do not feel the tension any more.
The Whole is doing what it does, and I
Am wholly doing what I do.
In the crosshairs now, I see WHAT IS.
I cannot miss!
Desiring nothing for my splintered self,
I am being every inch something.
I care, but do not care.
I let go of my stake in all former aspirations;
Aspiring to nothing, I am occupied, every inch, with being something.
The worst cannot undo the act of what I am doing, and the best
Cannot change it. I am here. I am desperate, wise, strong
And live now beyond the land of my own dreams.
None of this is on my time. I resent nothing and no one.
I share in the whole world by laying claim to none of it,
Tasting what is sweet and bitter even in my own life
Like a sample off a plate in someone else’s home.
I am not here to stay and know it, and I no longer have a care
Because I wish to stay sane enough to keep caring.
Care like you died and kept on caring.
Care without a care, almost in just the way so many other events
Happen with no reflection or without meaning to,
But only because you mean it so much
That you are willing to be as heedless as it takes.
Become as ignorant of the parts and the frictions between them
As you were once so conscious of them in relation to yourself.
Be aware of being who you are in the arms or in the teeth of what is.
Forget all that might have been or might not be and there you are.
It’s a question that most of us have probably asked ourselves at one time or another. Notice that the question assumes that good people shouldn’t suffer.
Maybe this assumption is partly founded on how as children we’re rewarded for good behavior and punished for bad behavior by the adults in our lives. There are rules. There are consequences. There is the idea of fairness. Even when the adults in a child’s life are actually inconsistent, unpredictable, and unfair, I’d imagine that most of them still reference ideas about the child’s having been “good” or “bad” when meting out rewards and punishments.
As adults, we learn that it’s not unusual for good people to suffer and that often the cause of their suffering is the actions – or inactions – of other people. If you removed the human causes of suffering, life on earth would look almost like heaven! We’d still be mortal, but imagine our quality of life if even a fraction of the billions of dollars that humans spend on warfare were spent instead on the environment, medical research, education…
Saints and Heroes
“Saints” and “heroes” are basically religious and secular versions of the same thing: a person who’s passionately concerned with the wider world, the bigger picture – others as they exist independently of one’s own needs and desires. In human history so far, such people have been more the exception than the rule and so we’ve needed these special words for them. Maybe good people suffer because that’s the best we can do as a species and our fatal flaw is that generation after generation we’ll never be able to produce more than a small fraction of folks who truly care about life beyond themselves.
Or maybe not. Maybe our species will learn better. But it’s becoming pretty clear that if we’re up to that, then the only way we’re going to learn is probably the hard way and that coming generations will see suffering on a massive scale.
A Second Question
“How do you stop being deeply troubled by suffering?”
This is a different question. The answer has to do with a change in perspective and a new sense of identity that’s hard to put into words. I may have posted what follows previously, but it suggests the kind of thing I mean:
Being Here
What is, is. Let me be a piece of that,
Amid the horror, explosions, shatteredness,
The strands of sense and beauty, the irresolvable whole.
WHAT IS is, and I shall be myself.
Contradictions are not resolved, yet I begin to resolve
The contradictions. I do not feel the tension any more.
The Whole is doing what it does, and I
Am wholly doing what I do.
In the crosshairs now, I see WHAT IS.
I cannot miss!
Desiring nothing for my splintered self,
I am being every inch something.
I care, but do not care.
I let go of my stake in all former aspirations;
Aspiring to nothing, I am occupied, every inch, with being something.
The worst cannot undo the act of what I am doing, and the best
Cannot change it. I am here. I am desperate, wise, strong
And live now beyond the land of my own dreams.
None of this is on my time. I resent nothing and no one.
I share in the whole world by laying claim to none of it,
Tasting what is sweet and bitter even in my own life
Like a sample off a plate in someone else’s home.
I am not here to stay and know it, and I no longer have a care
Because I wish to stay sane enough to keep caring.
Care like you died and kept on caring.
Care without a care, almost in just the way so many other events
Happen with no reflection or without meaning to,
But only because you mean it so much
That you are willing to be as heedless as it takes.
Become as ignorant of the parts and the frictions between them
As you were once so conscious of them in relation to yourself.
Be aware of being who you are in the arms or in the teeth of what is.
Forget all that might have been or might not be and there you are.








19 Comments:
If you removed the human causes of suffering, life on earth would look almost like heaven!
I don't know why good people suffer - all people suffer, and not just people. If we took away the human cause of suffering (bad acts?) I think it would not be like heaven - there would still be suffering .... natural disasters, illness, loss of loved ones, even the suffering caused by the means of survival (killing and eating other living things).
How do you stop being deeply troubled by suffering?
You know me - I don't think we should :)
thanks for this.
I wish you serenity in 2010.
The distance comes from noticing and beginning to identify with an aspect of who you are that’s somehow more than who you are – and more immense than any pain. Or maybe more like being noticed by it and finding yourself looking back.
Far from coming to care less, this draws you toward the source or seat of what it is to care – that’s how it’s felt to me.
Don’t know if that makes any sense… told you it was hard to talk about!
We’re top predator – no more lions and tigers and bears. If you subtracted from the sum total of all human suffering all of the harm that people do to other people and could take all the resources we spend attacking and defending against each other and channel them into ameliorating the problems that we don’t create for ourselves, I don’t think that “transformation” would by any means be too strong a word to describe the effect. To me it sounds at least halfway to heaven.
Hayden – That’s true – I’ve been forced into looking at things this way as a matter of survival. It’s also true that I’d begun to see things this way while I was still healthy. I sometimes wonder where I’d be in the “alternate universe” of Still Healthy…
I think that whatever else this is, it is also an interesting take on some of the teachings of Jesus.
1. Life is not fair. But it's not malevolent either.
2. Just as you may win teh lottery, if the balls fall badly you may be on the receiving end of bad luck.
3. I think you mean 'idols' rather than 'heros'. To me a hero is someone who steps outside his normal role and does something unplanned and extraordinary. One does not set out to be a hero in life.
4. I am not deeply troubled by suffering. I feel deeply for the person suffering but I do not put any supernatural significance on the suffering that would cause it to trouble me.
5. Rider on #4 - when the suffering is directly inflicted on people by other people and the broader community doesn't rise in protest, yes, that is troubling. (eg Iraq, Guantanamo Bay, terrorism in all it's forms, religious castigation and ostracisation (similar to aboriginals 'pointing the bone'))
I would disagree, I guess. The meaning of the word "compassion" is "suffering with". I worked in a hospital and I'm familiar with people who distance themselves from others' suffering in order to do their jobs, but I think that is more a desire to protect themselves from suffering too.
made sense to me. i understand even. wow.
As for your two questions:
Good people suffer because there is no reason for them not to. Being "good" does not keep one from suffering physically or even emotionally. Being good is a made-up human concept.
Why would you want to stop being deeply troubled by suffering? It's what that feeling spurs you to that is the more important question, I think (See? subjective!)
I agree with Lee that life is neither fair nor malevolent. It just is, and we make of it what we will.
Interesting post, and I've heard that phrase or question uttered by people around me. Like Crystal, I believe it's not just "good" people who suffer. Everyone does, but maybe we think - according to the rewards system you mentioned - that good people shouldn't.
I liked your perspective switch further down, and have found that in many challenging times in my life, if I'm able to stay awake enough to remain detached and see everything as perfect, I can remain peaceful.
Much love & joy to you always!
1. Believing in God as a good and all-powerful Person is another factor that leads lots of folks to expect good things to happen to good people.
2. There’s good distancing from suffering and bad distancing. There’s good closeness and bad closeness. For example, when I was a counselor if I’d been cold and indifferent I would have been useless. But I’d also have been of much less use if I’d become preoccupied with worry and anger over the situations I sometimes had to address with children and “burnt out” after a couple years.
3. I guess if I had to come up with a theory, I’d say that our ideas of good and bad are probably rooted in what feels good physically and what feels bad physically. Severe physical harm remains number one on the human list of stuff we consider bad as well as something that animals are highly focused on avoiding.
“Why do good people suffer?” -- I do not know if any should be categorised as good or bad...But yes, times when i have myself asked this...I resort to "God knows better" or may be the "good" are tested more before God opens the doors of Heaven for them....childish thoughts may be :)
How do you stop being deeply troubled by suffering?”
Living in the now...Knowing that its a mix of emotions where the beauty of life lies...and the soul gets richer/stronger with every suffering...
I don't think my mental suffering go beyond a day...except for physical illness, which takes its time....
But I wish i could help children living in poverty and sorrow...That and death are the most troubling things for me!
wishes,
devika
Yet if we do not hold back some from the suffering of another, we can drain ourselves emotionally and be of no use to ourselves or others who may depend on us.
Perhaps we think at times that we have our compassion under control and have distanced ourselves sufficiently from the suffering of another. But often our compassion is only hidden from our conscious mind. It lays waiting till sleep overtakes us. Then it creeps into our dreams and we suffer too.
It is hard to be compassionate and not suffer too. And that is what is.
but for the most part, what you wrote sums it up for me.. "Because I wish to stay sane enough to keep caring."
Life can indeed be heavenly. We can get a glimpse of this in awareness.
To the second question, the Buddha and the awakened and non-dualists say that awakening, that is abiding in awareness, is the end of suffering.
Of course awakening is not always an easy road.
Great thoughts, thanks.
Sometimes suffering inspires as well I guess. Wish I can be careless and ignore..I should I guess, but some how everytime I start doing that, something comes along and I get attached again ;)
Perhaps I'm not...
This whole area is so hard to talk about. I'm glad I happened to write that poem one night...
One of the things that make it hard is that you can end up making statements that just sound contradictory. For example, I could say:
Taking everything more lightly leaves you freer to act on the things you take most seriously.
you have a real knack for this.
i mean you're good, if it comes across otherwise.
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